Is America the bastion of democracy in the world? Political analysts do not definitely answer this question in the affirmative. Some answer yes, while others say no.
We asked this and other questions to Dr. Roshvan Ibrahimova, the director of the International Relations Institute at the Kavkas (Caucasus) University. According to the academician, democracy in the United States comes second where national interests and national security issues are involved. People are even ready to go to war in order to defend their national security and national interests, adds Ibrahimova. In other words, democracy is, at best, an important element in achieving national security.
We continued our conversation with Prof. Ibrahimova:
How would you characterize the election of the first dark-skinned president in the United States, then?
In reality this is not a coincidence. Five black senators have been elected to the United States Senate thus far. Both of the Bush Administrations Secretaries of State, Gen. Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice, were African American. An African American by the name of Jessie Jackson was a candidate for the United States presidency. Even though he was not elected, the mere fact that he was a candidate made a difference. It is interesting that what used to be considered as imaginative is now becoming a reality.
There is also another issue here. The chance for Republicans to win was dismal in this election. Even if Hillary Clinton was the democratic nominee, she wouldve won.
Does this mean that the falling of the Republicans in the eyes of the American citizens made it possible for the Democrats to win?
The Democrats came to power four times during the 20th century: Woodrow Wilson, Kennedy, Carter, and Clinton. In general Democrats come to power either when Republicans are in big trouble, or when they have a charismatic leader. Wilson, Kennedy, and Clinton were charismatic. Kennedy was even the first Catholic to win the presidency in the history of the United States. As for Carter, he came to power in the wake of the Watergate fiasco that Nixon faced. History repeated itself with Obama. The financial meltdown, coupled with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as Irans nuclear ambitions and Bushs inability to solve that problem, which are all the result of unwise foreign politics, created the atmosphere needed for Obama to win.
Obama promised lots of change in Americas internal and external policies. What would these changes be in your opinion?
In fact Obama built his whole campaign on the notion of change. He promised to empower all, to unite people, and to create consensus. He said that America is for all Americans. The rest of the nomineeseven Hillarywere talking in terms of we, and you. Obama was saying we all.
However, Obama is not yet an expert in the realm of foreign politics. Even as a senator his forte was not international relations. He just visited the Ukraine, Russia and Azerbaijan as a senator. But America is such a country that its president doesnt need to be an expert in everything. There is a set system that rules the country. Obama will let that system operate. From this perspective, the difference between a Democratic or a Republican administration is not that big. Lets take Iraq and Afghanistan as examples. Most people say that America should exit these countries. This is not easy and not even possible.
Clintons administration acted more on the economic well-being of the country. Obama too will try to work in that arena as soon as time permits him to do so. Thats what Democrats usually do. Obama will not imperil the country with new wars. Clintons reign saw the Panama debacle and the war in Bosnia-Herzegovina. These were not things that Clinton wanted to do. They emerged out of necessity. Today, Americas most important priority is providing for its energy usage. If this sector is disturbed, America has no other choice but to go to war.
Will Obama recognize the so-called Armenian genocide?
Where Americas national interest starts, the voices of lobbyists are shut down. Therefore, it is only in areas where Americas national interests are not yet formulated that lobbyists have free play. For example, section 907 (i.e. no aid to Azerbaijan unless it solved its problems with Armenia) was adopted in 1992 because American national interest was not yet formulated regarding the Caucasus. America never wants to worsen its relations with Turkey and Azerbaijan. This is apparent in its usage of the term tragedy when describing the so-called genocide.
There are those who say that America is not sincere in its quest to propagate democracy around the world. What is your take on this?
There are different opinions regarding this issue. Every region has its national interests. For example the United States first tried to advance democracy in the Caucasus. It soon found out that that was not what its national interest needed. When Georgia tried to re-conquer territories it had lost and Russia waged a counter-offensive against it, the United States did not interfere American officials repeatedly stressed that America is after stabilizing the situation in the region (Caucasus) so that oil pipes can operate without any harm. This is as if to say that, for America, democracy is at best one of the important elements of national interest
In his doctrine, Bush stressed that the propagation of democracy can come in different forms. That is to say that no size fits all. In Iraq and Afghanistan that was through wars, while in Georgia and the Ukraine it was to happen by broadcasting American influence into those countries. All these showed that in places where America is at war, democracy is not even in its agenda. This means that America never considered democracy as superior to its national interests. Its not interfering in Georgia is a direct indication of this doctrine.
How does the United States categorize Azerbaijan?
In general, Americas policies toward Azerbaijan began to be formulated during the rule of Haydar Aliev. In 1994, after the signing of the bilateral economic agreements, American oil companies started settling in Azerbaijan. It was these companies that started lobbying for us in Washington. The result was that we started to balance the Armenian Lobbys actions It was our oil that gave us such importance. Azerbaijans geopolitical importance started increasing after 9/11. Azerbaijan had a big role in the operations that took place in Afghanistan and in Iraq. Azerbaijan was considered important in any action against Iran
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AB? heç vaxt demokratiyan? milli maraqlar?ndan üstün tutmay?b
AB? demokratiyan? dünyada yaymaq ist?yind? s?mimidirmi? sual?na siyas?t?ünaslar birm?nal? cavab vermirl?r.
Bu suala kimisi h?, kimisi is? yox deyir. Qafqaz Universitetinin Beyn?lxalq münasib?tl?r kafedras?n?n müdiri Dr. Röv??n ?brahimovun fikrinc?, AB? milli maraqlar? olan yerd? demokratiyan? ikinci plana sal?r. H?tta milli maraqlar?n? qorumaq üçün h?rbi yola ba? vurmaqdan bel? ç?kinmir. Y?ni AB? üçün demokratiya milli maraqlar?n t?min edilm?sind? köm?kçi bir ünsürdür.
- AB? tarixind? ilk d?f? olaraq bir qarad?rilinin prezident seçilm?sini nec? qiym?tl?ndirirsiniz?
- ?slind? bu, t?sadüfi deyil. ?ndiy? q?d?r Senata müxt?lif vaxtlarda be? qarad?rili üzv seçilib. Bu? hökum?tinin h?r iki dövl?t katibi Kolin Povel v? Kondaliza Rays da qarad?rili idil?r. 80-ci ill?rd? Cessi Cekson ad?nda bir qarad?rili prezidentliy? namiz?d olmu?du. O, seçilm?s? d?, namiz?dliyini ir?li sürmü?dü. Bir vaxtlar x?yal kimi görün?n hadis?l?r indi reall??a çevrilir.
Burada ba?qa bir m?qam da var. Bu seçkil?rd? respublikaç?lar?n q?l?b? çalmaq ehtimal? azalm??d?. Y?ni demokratlar?n dig?r alternativi Hillari Klinton da namiz?d olsayd?, qalib g?l?c?kdi.
- Y?ni respublikaç?lar?n nüfuzdan dü?m?si demokratlar?n q?l?b?sini q?til??dirdi.
- XX ?srd? demokratlar dörd d?f? iqtidara g?libl?r: Vudro Vilson, Kennedi, Karter v? Klinton. Ümumiyy?tl?, demokratlar ya respublikaç?lar?n probleml?rl? üzl??dikl?ri ??raitd?, yaxud da öz namiz?dl?rinin xarizmatikliyi say?sind? hakimiyy?t? g?libl?r. Vilson, Kennedi v? Klinton xarizmatik ??xsiyy?tl?r olublar. H?tta Kennedi AB? tarixind? yegan? katolik prezident olub. Karter is? respublikaç? Niksonun üzl??diyi Uoterqeyt qalmaqal? say?sind? hakimiyy?t? g?l? bilmi?di. ?ndi d? v?ziyy?t t?krarlan?r. Ölk? maliyy? böhran? il? üzl??ib, ?raq v? ?fqan?standak? probleml?r v? ?ran t?hlük?si xarici siyas?td?ki u?ursuzluqlar?n n?tic?sidir.
- Barak Obama seçicil?ri qar??s?ndak? ilk ç?x???nda h?m Amerika, h?m d? dünya üçün d?yi?iklikl?r v?d etdi. Sizc?, bu d?yi?iklikl?r n?d?n ibar?t olacaq?
- Obama ümumilikd? öz seçki kampaniyas?n? d?yi?iklikl?r v?di üz?rind? qurmu?du: h?r k?s? b?rab?r imkanlar verm?k, c?miyy?t daxilind? konsensus yaratmaq v? s. Obama vur?ulay?rd? ki, Amerika bu ölk?d? ya?ayan h?r k?sindir. Respublikaç?lar?n, h?tta dig?r demokrat namiz?d Hillari Klintonun ç?x??lar?nda da siz, biz m?s?l?si vard?. Obama is? ham?m?z deyirdi.
Xarici siyas?t? g?ldikd? is?, Obama bu sah?d? o q?d?r d? t?crüb?li deyil. Senator kimi yaln?z Rusiya, Az?rbaycan v? Ukraynada olub. Onun ixtisas? beyn?lxalq münasib?tl?r olsa da, m???ul oldu?u sah?l?r aras?nda beyn?lxalq ?laq?l?r olmay?b. Xeyirxah i?l?rl? daha çox m???ul olub.
Ancaq AB? el? bir ölk?dir ki, onun ba?ç?s?n?n h?r ?eyd?n x?b?rdar olmas? az ?h?miyy?tlidir. Bu ölk?ni mü?yy?n bir sistem idar? edir. Dövl?tin ba?ç?s?, sad?c? olaraq, bu sistemi davam etdirm?lidir. Bu bax?mdan respublikaç?lardan demokratlara qalan xarici siyas?t miras? ?n az? q?sa müdd?td? davam etdiril?c?k. M?s?l?n, ?raq v? ?fqan?stan m?s?l?sini götür?k. Çoxlar?nda bel? bir yanl?? görü? var ki, AB? bu ölk?l?rd?n d?rhal ç?xacaq. Bu, mümkün deyil.
H?l? Klinton dövründ? demokratlar?n iqtisadi layih?l?r? daha çox ön?m verdikl?rinin ?ahidi olmu?duq. Obama da fürs?t tapan kimi demokratlar?n bu ?n?n?sini yerin? yetir?c?k. H?rbi ?m?liyyatlar dövrü bit?c?k. ?n az?ndan çox böyük milli maraq olana q?d?r yeni h?rbi ?m?liyyatlara ba?lamayacaq. Klinton dön?mind? d? Panama kanal?nda h?rbi ?m?liyyat olmu?du, Bosniya-Herseqovinaya AB? birba?a müdaxil? etmi?di. Bunlar z?rur?td?n ir?li g?lmi?di. Haz?rda AB?-?n bir nömr?li mara?? enerji ehtiyac?n?n alternativ yollarla t?minat?d?r. ?g?r ölk?nin enerji t?hlük?sizliyin? qar?? h?r hans? h?d? olarsa, AB? h?rbi ?m?liyyatlara giri?? bil?r.
- Erm?nil?rin uydurma soyq?r?m? iddias? tan?na bil?rmi?
- AB?-?n milli mara?? olan yerd? lobbiçil?rin s?si bat?r. Yaln?z milli mara??n tam formala?mad??? m?qamlarda lobbiçilik ba? qald?r?r. M?s?l?n, 1992-ci ild? 907-ci düz?li? ona gör? edilmi?di ki, h?min vaxt AB?-?n bu bölg?, xüsusil? d?, Az?rbaycanla ba?l? milli mara?? tam formala?mam??d?. AB? indiki ??raitd? heç vaxt Türkiy? v? Az?rbaycanla münasib?tl?ri pisl??dirm?k ist?m?z. H?tta son vaxtlar soyq?r?m? ifad?si faci? sözü il? ?v?z olunma?a ba?lay?b.
- Bel? bir fikir s?sl?nir ki, AB? ba?qa ölk?l?rin demokratikl??m?sind? göst?rdiyi c?hdl?rd? s?mimi deyil. Siz nec? dü?ünürsünüz?
- Bu m?s?l?d? müxt?lif görü?l?r var. H?r bir regionun özün?xas milli maraqlar? var. M?s?l?n, AB? ?vv?l Gürcüstanda demokratiyan? yayma?a çal???rd?. Ancaq sonradan m?lum oldu ki, milli maraq ?slind? bu, deyildi. Gürcüstan öz torpaqlar?n? azad etm?y? ba?layanda AB? Rusiya il? qar??-qar??ya g?lm?k ist?m?di. Metyu Brayza da aç?q-a?kar b?yan etdi ki, AB?-?n regiondak? ?sas mara?? burada sabitliyi b?rq?rar etm?k, qorumaq v? enerji ??b?k?sinin sa?lam ??kild? i?l?m?sini t?min etm?kdir. Dem?k ki, demokratiya milli maraqlar?n t?min edilm?sind? köm?kçi bir ünsürdür. 1994-cü ild? Bu?un doktrinas?nda vur?ulan?rd? ki, demokratiya v? insan hüquqlar?n?n, bazar iqtisadiyyat?n?n bütün dünyaya yay?lmas? bir m?qs?ddir. Bunun is? müxt?lif yollar? var: ?raqda h?rbi yolla, Ukrayna v? Gürcüstanda daxili gücü d?st?kl?m?kl?, b?zi ölk?l?rd? iqtisadi d?st?k verm?kl?. Bütün bunlar göst?rir ki, AB?-?n milli maraqlar? oldu?u yerd? heç vaxt demokratiya onun ?sas m?qs?di olmay?b. Y?ni AB? heç vaxt demokratiyan? milli maraqlar?ndan üstün tutmay?b. T?bii ki, Ukrayna v? Gürcüstan daxil olmaqla.
- B?s AB? Az?rbaycan? hans? kateqoriyada görür?
- Ümumiyy?tl?, AB?-Az?rbaycan münasib?tl?ri Heyd?r ?liyev dövründ? formala?ma?a ba?lay?b. 1994-cü ild? ?srin müqavil?si imzaland?qdan sonra Az?rbaycana amerikan neft ?irk?tl?ri g?lm?y? ba?lad?. Konqresd? erm?ni lobbisi güclü oldu?u halda, icra strukturlar?nda, prezident v? hökum?t n?zdind? neft ?irk?tl?ri bizim lobbiçiliyimizl? m???ul olma?a ba?lad?lar. N?tic?d?, erm?ni diasporu il? gücümüzü tarazla?d?rma?a ba?lad?q. 1999-cu ild? növb?ti add?m at?ld?. AT?T-in ?stanbul sammitind? BTC-nin in?as? il? ba?l? memorandum imzaland?. Bu memorandum Rusiya v? qeyri-stabil Yax?n ??rq? alternativ enerji m?nb?l?rinin üz? ç?xmas? dem?k idi. 2001-ci ild?n sonra növb?ti t?r?fda?l?q m?rh?l?si ba?lad?. 11 sentyabr hadis?sind?n sonra Az?rbaycan?n geosiyasi ?h?miyy?ti artma?a ba?lad?. ?fqan?standak? v? ?raqdak? ?m?liyyatlarda Az?rbaycan?n rolu böyük oldu. H?tta ?rana qar?? mümkün ?m?liyyatlarda da Az?rbaycan?n rolu böyük olacaqd?. H?tta az?rbaycanl? sülhm?raml?lar?n ?raq v? ?fqan?stana gönd?rilm?si d? ?h?miyy?tli idi.
- Da?l?q Qaraba? münaqi??sinin t?nziml?nm?si il? ba?l? prosesd? son m?s?l?l?r? münasib?tinizi bilm?k ist?rdik. Moskva B?yannam?si n? v?d edir?
- Beyn?lxalq hüquqda b?yannam? hüquqi öhd?lik gücü olmayan s?n?d kimi q?bul olunur. H?tta mü?yy?n ?h?miyy?ti olsa bel?, onun m?tnin? baxmaq laz?md?r. Moskva B?yannam?sind? yeni heç n? yoxdur. Sad?c? olaraq, daha ?vv?l deyil?n sözl?r süzg?cd?n keçirilmi? formada, yaz?l? ??kild?, t?r?fl?ri m?cbur etm?y?n qaydada t?qdim olunub. Bu, ?vv?la, Rusiya üçün laz?m idi. Gürcüstan hadis?l?rind?n sonra Rusiya dünyaya göst?rm?y? çal???r ki, guya ?slind? sülh t?r?find?n ç?x?? ed?n konstruktiv ölk?dir. Bu b?yannam?nin münaqi??nin h?llin? hans?sa t?sir ed?c?yin? inanm?ram. Sad?c? olaraq, bu, Erm?nistan üçün bir siqnald?r ki, hans?sa bir formada Az?rbaycana yax?nla?mal?d?r. Az?rbaycan is? Avropaya bel? bir mesaj verir ki, m?n siz? gör? Rusiya il? münasib?tl?rimi heç vaxt pozmayaca?am. Gürcüstana sahib ç?xmama??n?z m?ni bel? add?m atma?a m?cbur edir. Biz balansla?d?r?lm?? siyas?t? davam ed?c?yik.
- Rusiyan?n son aktivliyini nec? ba?a dü?m?k olar? Rusiya, do?rudanm?, Qafqazda AB?-? s?x??d?rmaq üçün konkret add?mlar atma?a ba?lay?b?
- Biz g?r?k ?vv?lc? ayd?nla?d?raq ki, Rusiyan?n regionda maraq dair?si n?d?n ibar?tdir. Haz?rda Gürcüstan v? Az?rbaycan siyasi bax?mdan Rusiya üçün itirilmi? v?ziyy?td?dir. Rusiyan?n indiy? q?d?r Q?rb? güz??ti bundan ibar?t idi: Qafqazda siyasi c?h?td?n Q?rb? yax?nla?maq yolverilm?zdir, iqtisadi layih?l?ri is? h?yata keçirm?k olar. Rusiya bu iqtisadi layih?l?r? raz? olmasa da, qar??s?n? alma?a gücü çatm?r. Ancaq Gürcüstan?n NATO il? mümkün ?m?kda?l??? v? ya Q?rb? yax?nla?mas? Az?rbaycan v? Erm?nistan?n da Gürcüstan?n ard?nca getm?l?rin? s?b?b ola bil?rdi. Rusiya buna imkan ver? bilm?zdi.
Burada psixoloji m?qamlar da var. Son bir neç? ild? Rusiya xarici siyas?td? a??r m??lubiyy?tl?r almaqdad?r. Ona gör? d? Gürcüstan?n öz münaqi??mi ist?diyim yolla h?ll ed?r?m niyy?tin? imkan ver? bilm?zdi. Rusiya alternativ vasit?l?ri olmad??? üçün birba?a h?rbi yola ?l atd?. Alternativ yollar?n olmamas? da Rusiya xarici siyas?tinin problemidir. ?ndi Rusiya münaqi?? önc?si v?ziyy?t? qay?tmaq ist?rdi. C?nubi Osetiya v? Abxaziyan?n müst?qillikl?rini tan?mas? Rusiyan?n ba?b?las?na çevrilib. Ümumiyy?tl?, son hadis?l?rl? Rusiya m?n h?l? d? varam, güclüy?m v? m?niml? hesabla?mal?s?n?z dem?k ist?yir. Ancaq bu, o dem?k deyil ki, AB?-Rusiya müharib?si gözl?nil?ndir.
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[T]he U.S. was and remains tempted to play the Azerbaijan card, especially since Baku has always supported Iran’s nuclear deal with the “Big Five" and Germany.