Snowden Refuses To Return to the US as It Will Be Difficult To Get Fair Trial

Published in Beijing Times Blog
(China) on 25 January 2014
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Translated from by Ivy Goldstein. Edited by Gillian Palmer.
America’s “Prism Door” whistle-blower, Edward Snowden, said on Jan. 23 (early morning on the 24th, Beijing time), while answering questions online, that he could not go back to the United States because “there’s no chance to have a fair trial.” Snowden also urged the U.S. to strengthen protection for informants.

He also disclosed that America’s large-scale monitoring project is able to keep a record of daily life lasting up to five years, even for American citizens who have no criminal record; even the most innocent of citizens could be harmed by information recorded about them.

Disclosing Government Monitoring of Citizens’ Daily Activities

Snowden, who is currently taking temporary refuge in Russia, answered questions online asked by 13 Internet users on the website “Free Snowden.”

An Internet user asked: What’s the worst and most realistic harm from the bulk collection of data?

Snowden answered, “The worst and happening-right-now harm of bulk collection — which again, is a euphemism for mass surveillance — is two-fold.

“The first is the chilling effect, which is well-understood. Study after study has show[n] that human behavior changes when we know we’re being watched. Under observation, we act less free, which means we effectively are less free.

“The second, less understood but far more sinister effect of these classified programs is that they effectively create ‘permanent records’ of our daily activities, even in the absence of any wrongdoing on our part. This enables a capability called ‘retroactive investigation,’ where once you come to the government’s attention, they’ve got a very complete record of your daily activity going back, under current law, often as far as five years. You might not remember where you went to dinner on June 12, 2009, but the government does.”

Snowden stressed that the power of these records has not been exaggerated. In fact, researchers have found, this kind of data collection will cause a “destruction of the database.” There will even be harmful and embarrassing information about the most innocent of people. The government’s act of collecting information without any reason for doubt will never be legal, the United States Privacy and Civil Liberties Board has concluded.

Snowden said, “Fundamentally, a society in which the pervasive monitoring of the sum of civil activity becomes routine is turning from the traditions of liberty toward what is an inherently illiberal infrastructure of preemptive investigation, a sort of quantified state where the least of actions are measured for propriety. I don’t seek to pass judgment in favor or against such a state in the short time I have here, only to declare that it is not the one we inherited, and should we as a society embrace it, it should be the result of public decision rather than closed conference.”

U.S. Laws Criticized as Obsolete

When asked about returning to America, Snowden said, “The hundred-year-old law under which I’ve been charged, which was never intended to be used against people working in the public interest, and forbids a public interest defense. This is especially frustrating, because it means there’s no chance to have a fair trial, and no way I can come home and make my case to a jury.

“Returning to the U.S., I think, is the best resolution for the government, the public and myself, but it’s unfortunately not possible in the face of current whistle-blower protection laws, which through a failure in law did not cover national security contractors like myself,” Snowden said.

A report quoted by an anonymous intelligence official disclosed that they were discussing the issue of Snowden’s death and how to kill him. Due to this, on Jan. 21, Snowden’s Russian lawyer said that Snowden needs better security measures.

In an answer on Jan. 23, Snowden said that he is concerned about these kinds of “direct threats on my life,” but promised not to “be afraid.”

Snowden made the criticism that American offers no protection for whistle-blowers who have official reports containing evidence of misconduct; he urges the U.S. to improve the situation. Currently the measures for protection of whistleblowers are “too weak” and “ineffective … they appear to be intended to discourage reporting of even the clearest wrongdoing.”

“Maybe when Congress comes together to end the programs the PCLOB just announced was illegal, they’ll reform the Whistle-blower Protection Act, and we’ll see a mechanism for all Americans, no matter who they work for, to get a fair trial,” Snowden said.

While Snowden was answering questions, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said that if Snowden wishes to return to the U.S. and “enter a plea, we would engage with his lawyers.”

Holder said that the American government takes the same approach toward anyone who wishes to admit guilt, but in Snowden’s case, “the notion of clemency was not something we were willing to consider.”

Denied Stealing Coworkers’ Passwords

Last year, in the U.S., Snowden was charged with transmission of government property as well as unauthorized transmission of confidential national security information and intelligence data to unauthorized persons.

In the question-and-answer session, Snowden expressed surprise regarding a Reuters report from Nov. 7 of last year. The report quoted an anonymous news source as saying that in the NSA contractor base in Hawaii, Snowden used colleagues’ login and password information in order to obtain some of the materials that he later disclosed to the media.

Snowden said that the report is “simply wrong. I never stole any passwords, nor did I trick an army of co-workers.”

In 2013, Snowden was employed by National Security Agency contractor Booz Allen as a systems administrator; he went to the base in Hawaii, but chose to leave after a few months. Barb Burg, Reuters Global Head of Communications, issued a statement in support of the Reuters report, but she said, "We … did not, in any event, accuse Mr. Snowden of stealing."

Q&A Excerpt

Do you think it’s a shame that Obama gave his NSA speech before his Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board reported?

The timing of his speech seems particularly interesting, given that it was accompanied by so many claims that “these programs have not been abused.” In contrast, the federal government’s independent PCLOB report on the NSA’s mass phone surveillance today (which stated the NSA has spied on at least 120,000,000 American phones under this program) ….

I think there is no reason at all to continue this kind of unconstitutional intelligence program, which has been ineffective at least 120,000,000 times. *

Do you think that the Watchdog Report by Privacy & Civil Liberties Oversight Board will have any impact at all?

I don’t see how Congress could ignore it, as it makes it clear there is no reason at all to maintain the 215 program.

The Ecuadorean Consul in London, Fidel Narvaez, lost his job after his helping you to safety was spun. Message for his family?

Fidel is an incredibly brave individual, and he did everything that was possible to ensure that the rights of someone he had never met would be protected. He could have turned away from a tough decision, but instead of letting my situation become someone else’s problem, he did what he thought was right. That kind of commitment to doing the right thing, even knowing it could get you in trouble, is something the world needs more of.

Recently several threats have been made on your life by the intelligence community. Are you afraid for your life? Thoughts?

It’s concerning, to me, but primarily for reasons you might not expect.

That current, serving officials of our government are so comfortable in their authorities that they’re willing to tell reporters on the record that they think the due process protections of the 5th Amendment of our Constitution are outdated concepts. These are the same officials telling us to trust that they’ll honor the 4th and 1st Amendments. This should bother all of us.

They say it’s a balance of privacy and safety. I think spying makes us less safe. Do you agree?

Intelligence agencies do have a role to play, and the people at the working level at the NSA, CIA or any other member of the IC are not out to get you. They’re good people trying to do the right thing, and I can tell you from personal experience that they were worried about the same things I was.

The people you need to watch out for are the unaccountable senior officials authorizing these unconstitutional programs, and unreliable mechanisms like the secret FISA court, a rubber-stamp authority that approves 99.97 percent of government requests (which denied only 11 requests out of 33,900 in 33 years). They’re the ones that get us into trouble with the Constitution by letting us go too far.

A U.S. Government Agency Warns that the NSA Is Acting Illegally

The same day as Snowden’s online question-and-answer session, the U.S. Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board issued a 234-page report warning that the NSA’s daily collection of Americans’ communication records is illegal, and suggesting that President Obama discontinue this project and destroy records that have already been collected.

The Privacy and Civil Liberties Commission is an independent U.S. federal agency. Earlier this month, the board submitted its report for consideration by Obama. Since then, Obama has announced his intention to change the government monitoring project, but he said that the large-scale mobile phone monitoring project will still exist for a period of time.

“Besides the illegality of recording of cell phone information, the committee also maintains that this method is ineffective,” James Dempsey, a member of the Committee for the American Center for Democracy and Technology, said.*

Note: The Q&A cited in this article appears in full here: http://www.freesnowden.is/asksnowden/

*Editor’s Note: These quotations, accurately translated, could not be verified.


难获公正审判斯诺登拒返美
2014年01月25日01:59 京华时报 微博 我有话说

  美国“棱镜门”爆料者爱德华·斯诺登23日(北京时间24凌晨)在线答问时说,他不能返回美国,因为“没有机会得到公正审判”,他同时敦促美国加强对举报者的保护。

  此外,他还揭露,美国的大规模监控项目可以对没有任何犯罪记录的美国公民的日常生活进行长达5年的记录,即便是最清白的人也有可能被记下有害的信息。

  披露政府记录公民日常行动

  正在俄罗斯临时避难的斯诺登23日在“解放斯诺登”网站在线回答了全球13位网友的提问。

  有网友提问:(美国政府)大量搜集数据的最大和最现实的危害是什么?

  斯诺登回答说,“大量搜集”(这是一个美化后的称谓)的最大危害在于两点:第一是寒蝉效应,即多次研究证明人们被监视时会改变行为方式、变得缺少自由。第二,这种搜集将我们的日常行动永久记录在案,即便没有任何前科。这样政府就可以随时对你追溯调查,一旦你引起政府注意,他们将对你的日常生活了如指掌。在现行法律下,数据保留的期限是5年。你可能不记得2009年6月12日你在哪里吃晚餐,但是政府知道。

  斯诺登强调,这些记录显示的力量并没有被夸大。事实上,研究人员发现,这种数据搜集会导致“数据库的毁灭”,即便是最清白的人也会有有害的和难堪的信息。政府在没有任何缘由的怀疑之下搜集信息使得这一行动永远也不可能合法,美国隐私和公民自由监督委员会已经做出了这一结论。

  斯诺登说,“从根本上讲,这种对公民活动无处不在的监控给我们崇尚自由的传统带来了一种先发制人的、不自由的导向。我在这里要说,这不是我们的传统……我们不必夸大数据的作用,但监控本身应该由公众来作出决定,而不是少数人的闭门会议”。

  批评美国法律陈旧

  就何时返回美国的提问,斯诺登说:“我(在美国)所受起诉依据的百年老法,不会被用来保护一名为公共利益工作的人……这是最令人沮丧的事情,因为这意味着没有公正审判的机会,我也没法回家,把我的案子交给陪审团。”

  “我认为对政府、公众和我自己而言,返回美国都是最好的解决方案,但不幸的是,在当前这种保护举报者的法律下,这不可能,法律中存在缺陷,甚至不涵盖国家安全局承包商本身。”斯诺登说。

  一则报道援引不愿透露姓名美国情报官员的话披露,他们谈论要斯诺登死和如何杀死他的事情。就此,斯诺登的俄罗斯律师21日说,斯诺登需要更好的安全措施。

  斯诺登23日回答提问时说,他关注对这种“直接针对我生命的威胁”,但誓言“不会被吓倒”。

  斯诺登指责,美国缺乏对携证据举报官方不当行为的举报人的保护,敦促美国做出改善。现有举报人保护措施“太弱”且“无效”,看上去“像是为了阻止报告哪怕最清晰的不当行为”。

  “也许当国会召集开会,结束这些项目,改革举报人保护法,我们可能看到一个适用于所有美国人的机制,无论他为谁工作,都可以获得公正审判。”斯诺登说。

  在斯诺登回答提问的时候,美国司法部长埃里克·霍尔德说,如果斯诺登希望回美国并“进入抗辩阶段”,“我们乐于与他的律师接洽”。

  霍尔德说,美国政府对于任何愿意认罪的人,采取的方针都一样,但就斯诺登案,“宽恕不在我们愿意考虑之内”。

  否认盗取同事密码

  斯诺登去年在美国被控盗取政府资产、未经授权传递国家安全信息和将机密情报数据交给未获授权的人。

  回答提问期间,斯诺登对路透社去年11月7日一篇报道提出怀疑。那篇报道援引不愿透露姓名的消息源称,斯诺登在国家安全局承包商位于夏威夷的基地利用同事无意提供的登录证书和密码,以获得后来他泄露给媒体的部分机密材料。

  斯诺登说,那篇报道“全错”,“我从没盗取任何密码,也没有欺骗同事”。

  斯诺登2013年初受雇于美国国家安全局承包商博思艾伦公司,作为一名系统管理员,来到夏威夷基地上班,但几个月后自行离开。

  路透社通信部全球主管巴布·伯格发表声明,支持路透社报道,但也说“不是指责斯诺登先生盗窃”。

  ■问答摘录

  “今天,美国隐私和公民自由监督委员会发布报告,称国安局针对美国公民大规模电话监听项目不合法。你认为,奥巴马选择在此之前发表讲话是不是很丢人?”

  斯诺登:奥巴马讲话的时机真是很有意思。上周,他说国安局的监控项目没有遭到滥用,并且发挥巨大的反恐功效。但今天公布的报告里写明,国安局监听了至少1.2亿通美国公民的电话记录,却没发现有助于挫败恐袭的案例。

  我觉得,实在没有理由再继续开展这样一个违宪了至少1.2亿次又成效为零的情报项目。

  “你觉得美国隐私和公民自由监督委员会发布的报告有用吗?”

  斯诺登:国会不应忽视这份报告,毕竟报告里清楚写明没有必要保留全部215个监控项目。

  “厄瓜多尔驻伦敦领事菲德尔·纳瓦埃斯,为了帮你而丢了工作,想对他的家人说点什么吗?”

  斯诺登:他是一个超级勇敢的人,他尽一切努力保护我这个素未谋面的人。他本可置身事外,但坚持做自己认为正确的事情。这种即使面临困难也要坚持原则的精神,正是我们这个世界所需要的。

  “最近,你受到了来自情报机构的多次威胁,你害怕吗?”

  斯诺登:我很担忧,但原因可能跟你猜测的不一样。现任美国政府公然告诉记者,防止政府权力滥用的宪法第五修正案过时了。然而,也正是同一批人,要我们相信他们会尊重宪法。我们所有人应当为此感到担忧。

  “政府说监控项目是平衡个人隐私和国家安全。我觉得监控让我们更不安全了,你同意吗?”

  斯诺登:情报机构确实有存在的必要,在那里工作的人也都是好人。你需要小心的是那些不负责任、授权违宪项目的高级官员,例如美国外国情报监控法庭在过去33年里只否决了3.39万个申报项目中的11个,通过率高达99.97%。

  ■链接

  美政府机构警告国安局违法

  在斯诺登在线答问的同日,美国隐私和公民自由监督委员会提交一份234页报告,警告国家安全局日常搜集美国人通信记录的行为违法,建议总统奥巴马放弃这个项目并销毁已经搜集的记录。

  隐私和公民自由监督委员会是美国联邦政府独立机构。本月早些时候,这个委员会已将这一结论递交总统奥巴马参考。随后,奥巴马宣布打算改变政府监视项目,但他说大规模手机监听项目还会存在一段时间。

  除了将搜集手机记录归结为违法,这个委员会还认定,这种做法无效。报告称,“我们了解,没有实例证实这个项目直接帮助发现先前未知的恐怖主义阴谋或瓦解一起恐怖袭击。”

  “鉴于有限的效果,我们认为这个项目应该结束。”委员会成员、美国民主和技术中心的詹姆斯·登普西说。

  据新华社人民网中国日报网站

  (原标题:难获公正审判斯诺登拒返美)
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